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Orion=GCHQ=
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Post subject:  Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:03 pm |
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Chadk=GCHQ= wrote: Orion, do you even know what you are talking about, when you talk about the 64bit stuff? I would consider reconsidering what you wrote, cos its bs  Yes I do. I'm basing this on several reviews from http://www.winsupersite.com. If you know something I don't, please backup your opinion with more then these words 
Don't get me wrong. The implementations are better then in XP x64. But still have a very long way to go.
One good article that sums up why not to get Vista is this one btw.
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Cybercon III
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 4:39 pm |
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Chadk=GCHQ= wrote: Cybercon III=GCHQ= wrote: Tbh as soon as linux developers develop a Direct X interface ill ditch Miscrosoft forever, im already running WOW on ubuntu  Is it gonna happen? Not really its in development and apparently...
http://tomshardware.co.uk/2002/05/31/wi ... h_winex_2/
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Chadk
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 5:22 pm |
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Orion=GCHQ= wrote: Chadk=GCHQ= wrote: Orion, do you even know what you are talking about, when you talk about the 64bit stuff? I would consider reconsidering what you wrote, cos its bs Yes I do. I'm basing this on several reviews from http://www.winsupersite.com. If you know something I don't, please backup your opinion with more then these words Don't get me wrong. The implementations are better then in XP x64. But still have a very long way to go. One good article that sums up why not to get Vista is this one btw. Basing your statsment on Paul T(Winsupersite)'s articles is digging your own grave.
Paul T is this "OH WGA SAYS THAT MY WINDOWS IS ILLEGAL. I BOUGHT THIS WINDOWS.......... No wait, i didnt" dude, who write crap.
I do agree with you that WoW64 is not the best way to do it, as its not very nice.
But the 64bit implementation is there, and it works, with quite good performence. So how can it be badly implemented from any other point but a developer perspective.
Having said that. Next to no developers actually get to care about Wow64. _________________ Codito Ergo Sum | Even i, who have no clue about social life
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gemma=GCHQ=
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Post subject: Posted: Mon Feb 05, 2007 7:55 pm |
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Chadk=GCHQ= wrote: Gmar=GCHQ= wrote: Right now, yeah Vista is a slow bag of poo. How ever give it time and it is a much better platform for the future, expecially once DX10 takes off. I reckon in two years time it will be great. The drivers are next to useless at the moment,
I actually like the new interface but thats about it. I used chrystal GL for KDE about two years ago and it looked better and it was way more configurable. Like people keep saying it is the future is what vista is all about.
Shame about lack of WInfs though, maybe it will be in a service pack. They should have used reiser is the mean time heehee.
(Was that alright Chad?) Lovely. Yet i disagree with you that its a slow bag of poo. Sure, it IS slow if you do not have 2gb of ram, and a fairly highend computer. But you can do things in order to compensate for that, like getting a fast usb stick and use some of the new cool performence tools in Vista. I can't speak about the current state of drivers. But as i understand, they are fairly good at this point. The new kernel makes up for the stabillity issues. Vista will lay the foundation for next generation windows. You might not find it good at this point. But Vista is one of the biggest milestones in Windows history, and we will see alot of cool stuff in Windows 7 and 8, which would not be possible without Vista! Chad dude I do have 2GB of memory @230MHz and two 7800GTs and Dual core X2 4400 @2540 MHz and a experience score of 5.1. Despite that I can't even play CS:S on it because its too slow. CS:S is an old game and not taxing at all in XP (even with out SLI). Thats why I said it is slow and poo.
As regards the stuff about the future, I totally agree its a great platform, that it will be excellent, just not now. mmkay.
I blame nvidia totally tbh.
Linux will never see DX which is a shame.
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Cybercon III
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 10:10 am |
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Gmar=GCHQ= wrote: Chadk=GCHQ= wrote: Gmar=GCHQ= wrote: Right now, yeah Vista is a slow bag of poo. How ever give it time and it is a much better platform for the future, expecially once DX10 takes off. I reckon in two years time it will be great. The drivers are next to useless at the moment,
I actually like the new interface but thats about it. I used chrystal GL for KDE about two years ago and it looked better and it was way more configurable. Like people keep saying it is the future is what vista is all about.
Shame about lack of WInfs though, maybe it will be in a service pack. They should have used reiser is the mean time heehee.
(Was that alright Chad?) Lovely. Yet i disagree with you that its a slow bag of poo. Sure, it IS slow if you do not have 2gb of ram, and a fairly highend computer. But you can do things in order to compensate for that, like getting a fast usb stick and use some of the new cool performence tools in Vista. I can't speak about the current state of drivers. But as i understand, they are fairly good at this point. The new kernel makes up for the stabillity issues. Vista will lay the foundation for next generation windows. You might not find it good at this point. But Vista is one of the biggest milestones in Windows history, and we will see alot of cool stuff in Windows 7 and 8, which would not be possible without Vista! Chad dude I do have 2GB of memory @230MHz and two 7800GTs and Dual core X2 4400 @2540 MHz and a experience score of 5.1. Despite that I can't even play CS:S on it because its too slow. CS:S is an old game and not taxing at all in XP (even with out SLI). Thats why I said it is slow and poo. As regards the stuff about the future, I totally agree its a great platform, that it will be excellent, just not now. mmkay. I blame nvidia totally tbh. Linux will never see DX which is a shame. "Linux will never see DX" my bottom! did you not see the performace comaparisons on my last post....... _________________ -- Don't bring a knife to a gun fight --
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Chadk
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 6:35 pm |
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Cybercon III=GCHQ= wrote: Gmar=GCHQ= wrote: Chadk=GCHQ= wrote: Gmar=GCHQ= wrote: Right now, yeah Vista is a slow bag of poo. How ever give it time and it is a much better platform for the future, expecially once DX10 takes off. I reckon in two years time it will be great. The drivers are next to useless at the moment,
I actually like the new interface but thats about it. I used chrystal GL for KDE about two years ago and it looked better and it was way more configurable. Like people keep saying it is the future is what vista is all about.
Shame about lack of WInfs though, maybe it will be in a service pack. They should have used reiser is the mean time heehee.
(Was that alright Chad?) Lovely. Yet i disagree with you that its a slow bag of poo. Sure, it IS slow if you do not have 2gb of ram, and a fairly highend computer. But you can do things in order to compensate for that, like getting a fast usb stick and use some of the new cool performence tools in Vista. I can't speak about the current state of drivers. But as i understand, they are fairly good at this point. The new kernel makes up for the stabillity issues. Vista will lay the foundation for next generation windows. You might not find it good at this point. But Vista is one of the biggest milestones in Windows history, and we will see alot of cool stuff in Windows 7 and 8, which would not be possible without Vista! Chad dude I do have 2GB of memory @230MHz and two 7800GTs and Dual core X2 4400 @2540 MHz and a experience score of 5.1. Despite that I can't even play CS:S on it because its too slow. CS:S is an old game and not taxing at all in XP (even with out SLI). Thats why I said it is slow and poo. As regards the stuff about the future, I totally agree its a great platform, that it will be excellent, just not now. mmkay. I blame nvidia totally tbh. Linux will never see DX which is a shame. "Linux will never see DX" my bottom! did you not see the performace comaparisons on my last post....... (What is the point in a DirectX implementation if it doesnt run all games out of the box?)
I also think, like Gmar is saying, that this will be a real option. _________________ Codito Ergo Sum | Even i, who have no clue about social life
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gemma=GCHQ=
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Post subject: Posted: Tue Feb 06, 2007 7:51 pm |
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Cybercon III=GCHQ= wrote:
"Linux will never see DX" my bottom! did you not see the performace comaparisons on my last post.......
I stand corrected, I have used cedega I suppose that "runs" dx. 
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 10:33 pm |
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Cybercon III=GCHQ= wrote: Chadk=GCHQ= wrote: Cybercon III=GCHQ= wrote: Tbh as soon as linux developers develop a Direct X interface ill ditch Miscrosoft forever, im already running WOW on ubuntu Is it gonna happen? Not really its in development and apparently... http://tomshardware.co.uk/2002/05/31/wi ... h_winex_2/and is performing well... It has precedent - C# is being replicated by Mono, for example. _________________  The Pancreas of S.T.F.U. | Never take life too seriously - nobody gets out alive anyway. Disco_jim: um..... I have no excuse. | Chips: Thank the Beef | Rev Dr: Beef, I think i wee'd a little
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Chadk
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Post subject: Posted: Wed Feb 07, 2007 11:18 pm |
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LeBeourfCurtaine wrote: Cybercon III=GCHQ= wrote: Chadk=GCHQ= wrote: Cybercon III=GCHQ= wrote: Tbh as soon as linux developers develop a Direct X interface ill ditch Miscrosoft forever, im already running WOW on ubuntu Is it gonna happen? Not really its in development and apparently... http://tomshardware.co.uk/2002/05/31/wi ... h_winex_2/and is performing well... It has precedent - C# is being replicated by Mono, for example. C# havent been replicated, but the compiler have.
C# is just a language, that gets converted into MSIL.
But .NET BCL have been partially replicated. _________________ Codito Ergo Sum | Even i, who have no clue about social life
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Lemon =GCHQ=
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 1:19 am |
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if you lot dont s t f u ... im gonna move this to the geeks corner :D
_________________  "If your going to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."- Winston Churchill three and a half foot long??? dude, it could have swallowed you whole! 3jorn=GCHQ=
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Pirate Hobo
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:43 am |
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Once the DX 10 feature actually has real-world applications for gaming as opposed to implications, then I may be interested. Not for now though, I can get by just fine with XP.
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Chadk
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 4:53 pm |
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Lemon =GCHQ= wrote: if you lot dont s t f u ... im gonna move this to the geeks corner :D
This is the geeks corner! _________________ Codito Ergo Sum | Even i, who have no clue about social life
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Arma
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:10 pm |
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Its such a shame that its has to be an "either or" situation.
Both OS's have got their good and bad points, both have things that work on them and things that dont, you just use them for what you want, and if someone uses the other one they arent 'deficient' in any way they just have different needs.
Why cant we all just get along?  _________________ 
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Chadk
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 5:39 pm |
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Arma=GCHQ= wrote: Its such a shame that its has to be an "either or" situation. Both OS's have got their good and bad points, both have things that work on them and things that dont, you just use them for what you want, and if someone uses the other one they arent 'deficient' in any way they just have different needs. Why cant we all just get along? Its not an either or situation.
Theres plenty of great scenarios where Linux is good.
But i do lub you all even if you dislike Windows  _________________ Codito Ergo Sum | Even i, who have no clue about social life
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simon
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Post subject: Posted: Thu Feb 08, 2007 6:33 pm |
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I like Vista, I only used the beta, but my PC was on the minimum spec for running it.
Vista seems to require alot of resources in my opinion, nice GUI etc and DX10? Like people have been saying... it's not likely to be worldwide standard for about 3 years from now.
The price is stupid, but saying that, I daresay it will soon be doomed by hackers and it will be the new Windows XP of the world in a few years... I don't care what anyone says, people thought Windows XP was near unhackable for freebie users, but a few years down the line, people have 'obtained' it.
The main reasons I won't be buying Vista for quite some time is:
- The price
- The compatability issues (which are likely to be around for a long time yet)
- Needs a stupidly high end computers to run nicely and be able to use all the stuff you love
- Windows XP uses less system resources, runs my games nicely even with this low-end piece o'poo.
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