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     Post Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:31 am 
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    gents im to go in to a meeting tomorrow at 1500 to discuss the companys back up solutions
    at the moment we are backing up to a tape drive each night apx 130gig of data
    this is taking between 7 & 13 hours [to slow] this software is veritas
    there is talk of a software solution running constantly that backs up countinually but is very expensive ...
    are there any cheep solutions that are fool proof ... our network runs over 4 bldgs so
    a computer could be housed well away from the computer room that the backups could be held on

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     Post subject: Re: server back up
     Post Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:01 am 
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    this is one of the thing i do for the uni atm mate if you want to grab me on msn tomorrow
    its off the top of my head gona be slow network and slow tape drive
    how many hosts you backing up ?
    how much money they got ?

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     Post subject: Re: server back up
     Post Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:28 am 
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    what he said ^^

    a £750 tape drive should be able to store that much data in under 10 minutes.

    Then again, you need to have decent switches between your servers, newer backup software.... if it says Veritas, then it's quite old.

    You can do disk to disk backups to a remote server pretty easily - you would still want to copy this to tape regularly though.

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     Post subject: Re: server back up
     Post Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:36 am 
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    Aye, what they said - disk to disk, then backup up that central repository to tape. If your backups are on another disk you can restore exceedingly quickly. Your servers should have plenty of bandwidth, with their own dedicated fibre backbone, running at absolutely no less than 1Gbit.

    You should take this opportunity to look at disaster recovery plans; if you have one review it, if not write one a.s.a.p.! If you're doing an incremental backup Mon - Thurs and a full on the Friday, you should consider things like storing the Friday tapes offsite in case there's a major incident at work (flood, fire, structural damage, etc.).

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     Post subject: Re: server back up
     Post Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:20 am 
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    wow .... ok we run 5 x servers, atm the tapes are removed daily ...
    ive only just been invited to help so deep end really
    this is a quote from our excising software support comp


    I enclose some information to discuss at our meeting tomorrow.

    In the exiting Poweredge 2600 server, you are currently running a Dat 36/72Gb back up drive. Dell now offers an internal 400/800Gb LTO drive which I have priced separately below. They do not offer anything smaller other than a newer version of the Dat drive you are already using.

    Internal LTO 400/800Gb drive £1360

    400Gb tapes £29 each



    An alternative to tape back up is a CDP unit. This device allows for real time second by second back up of your network without any user intervention or the need for tapes. It also has the feature of being able to send data off site electronically with the addition of some software and remote storage costs. I enclose a brochure which outlines the feature of a CDP back up solution.

    Sonicwall 2440i 250/300GB £1640

    Sonicwall CDP silver support £355

    (next day replacement on site / software updates)

    Site to site license back up license £285

    Off site back up monthly fee :

    10Gb £30
    20Gb £40
    30Gb £50
    40Gb £60
    50Gb £70
    60Gb £80
    70Gb £90
    100Gb £100

    Installation, to include set up of remote data storage £250
    All prices exclude Vat.

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     Post subject: Re: server back up
     Post Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:45 am 
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    the real time is over kill + it isnt going to be able to do databases if you have them
    lol again what beefy said although i recon you would gate way with 1gb ethernet ( if not 100mb ) for you estate

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     Post subject: Re: server back up
     Post Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:15 pm 
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    i chat to u lot after the meeting ..... but the general consensus is
    back up to an internal disk [prolly 1tb] can veritas do that? then back up that disk
    to a tape & remove tape friday... or back the disk up to online storage over the weekend

    work out a fire flood strategy ... this could be done online or removal of tape/external drive

    many thanks for your help
    keep it cming tho

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     Post subject: Re: server back up
     Post Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:15 pm 
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    your Veritas *should* do a disk to disk backup as it is, you just define a folder on a disk as being a D2D backup device, and point your daily backups to that.

    1GB ethernet is fine, any reasonable backup software will compress the data between machines.

    Its probably worth upgrading the Backup Exec to the current version as it will bring some nice new features, like encypting the backup tapes (always goes down well with the boss) faster SQL/Exchange backup etc etc etc

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     Post subject: Re: server back up
     Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:37 pm 
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    Gents
    in veritas it says 111gig of data ... is this the actual size of the data to be compressed or is the data compressed already?
    http://uploads.gamecommunity.co.uk/file ... 730004.jpg

    is veritas easy to use?
    is veritas easy to upgrade ourselfs or do we need IT company to do it for us
    Ive been quoted 300 for upgrade to latest version
    will just upgrading the version to the latest make the back up quicker or do we have to
    set up a D2D drive /new tape drive to make it quicker
    is backup exex one of the best back up software? what alternatives are there
    so many questions ......

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     Post subject: Re: server back up
     Post Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:21 pm 
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    Thats uncompressed data :smile:

    Pay them to do the upgrade, I'm certain you need to totally uninstall the agents and backup software itself due to the large difference in versions between the old and new.

    It may only make it a tiny bit faster, the underlying slow bit will be your backup hardware.

    Arcserve - very similar to Backup Exec, both in features and cost.
    Novastor has similar features, but is cheaper (never used it though, but they keep trying to get me to sell it)

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     Post subject: Re: server back up
     Post Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:35 am 
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    ok if i was to put a back up tape in the drive and do the property's it would prolly show
    about 70gig of compressed data for 111 gig ....?

    if i up graded the exec and did a back up to nas box drive would it be alot quicker?

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