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Author:  Johns [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:37 am ]
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xhttp://overclockers.co.uk/showproduct. ... =MO-006-BE

Give meh your views please :)
Author:  elbow=GCHQ= [ Thu Dec 07, 2006 10:47 am ]
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No DVI ftl... :(
Author:  Jim Rockford [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 4:17 pm ]
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Looks very cheap (in both senses). One golden rule of technology is that you pay for what you get generally.

I bought this recently...

http://forums.overclockers.co.uk/showth ... t=17535077

Cost 350 quid in scan.co.uk. After doing alot of research, there's alot more to LCDs than you would imagine. I chose this one becasue of the following points...

1. Superb black/white/black response times gives virtually no ghosting whatsoever - very important if used for gaming.
2. Superb narrow angle view (although less important)
3. Vibrant colours and crystal clear native resolution (1600x1050).
4. Excellent quality resolution scaling (for when you need to run more demanding games at a lower resolution).

One point people didn't like is the glossy coat on the LCD panel. As long as your light source is at 90 degrees then this is simply not a problem.

For me since I use it for gaming, the choice was a no brainer.

One thing I did find a little annoying was the DVI output, or lackof during the POST and boot process. For some reson, the DVI signal only kicks in when windows xp actually sets the resolution. This means I get nothing until I enter windows.

The way around this is the conect up both the 15pin Analogue DSUB and Analogue/Digital DVI cable. This way it uses the DSUB in the boot process and switches to the DVI when entering windows.

I'm not sure if this is a problem with the monitor or whether it is a bug in the Radeon X850 pro EDID signalling. I suspect it might be ATIs fault.

Nonetheless, I'm well pleased with the monitor.
Author:  Sleeper Service=GCHQ= [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 5:48 pm ]
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Jim Rockford wrote:

One thing I did find a little annoying was the DVI output, or lackof during the POST and boot process. For some reson, the DVI signal only kicks in when windows xp actually sets the resolution. This means I get nothing until I enter windows.

The way around this is the conect up both the 15pin Analogue DSUB and Analogue/Digital DVI cable. This way it uses the DSUB in the boot process and switches to the DVI when entering windows.

I'm not sure if this is a problem with the monitor or whether it is a bug in the Radeon X850 pro EDID signalling. I suspect it might be ATIs fault.

Nonetheless, I'm well pleased with the monitor.


My DVI connected monitor kicks in a little after my analogue one by about 3 seconds but I can still pick up the POST if I choose not to have a quick boot process.

The samsung and illyama 22" monitors, although still made from the weaker type of LCD, are of much better quality and can be picked up for under £300. They come with a DVI or maybe the illyama one doesnt i cant remember.

These screens are going to become a lot more common in the new year
Author:  Jim Rockford [ Wed Dec 13, 2006 6:32 pm ]
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I nearly bought the Samsung before I read the NEC/Mitsubishi review. There is clear image ghosting on the Samsung dispite its fast response time.

EDIT:

Here's an example...

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Author:  gemma=GCHQ= [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:16 am ]
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Ahem "Websites are displayed better because you no longer need to scroll from right to left" Obviously havn't been to Toms! (you wouldn't ever need to scroll sideways.)

I have the Samsung 225BW and it's fine. Love it.
Author:  elbow=GCHQ= [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 12:38 am ]
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Aren't the panels all made by samsung anyway?
Author:  [QBS]Dr.Strangelove [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:43 pm ]
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Jim, those ghosting images are almost impossible to spot with the human eye.

as that website (cool site btw) really go indepth with their testing methods.

i too have a samsung @ 6ms response time 8) and i'm very pleased with the performance of it 8) 8)
Author:  elbow=GCHQ= [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 7:57 pm ]
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LG ftwage, can't remember response time, but contrast & colour pwns
Author:  Johns [ Thu Dec 14, 2006 11:12 pm ]
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I dunno... seen these too now

Whats your views: http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... =MO-004-AS

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showprodu ... =MO-007-V7
Author:  Jim Rockford [ Fri Dec 15, 2006 3:02 pm ]
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Hi,

Not sure people read my post in the context it was intended. I nearly bought the Samsung (becasue I thought it was a good choice) but changed my mind because of the review of teh NEC (posted earlier).

Ghosting only appears when you do alot of quick movement.

When making a choice of LCD, make a list of the requirements you NEED and then base your purchase based on that. I found that some LCDs were good for movies but maybe not games, or they were good for photos but not desktop work.

The purchase of my NEC was based primarily on gaming. For me, the clincher was resolution "expansion". I couldn't find any good data on the Samsungs rescaling of resolutions. As you know, you may not have the graphics power to run a modern game in the native resolution, therefore, you need to run at say 1280x720. The scaling of 1280x720 up to the native resolution (expansion) obviously loses quality. The review and photos of expansion on the NEC looked superb on Far Cry. Myabe the Samsung is great at this, but I had no data.

Of the two monitors you posted, I have no idea. I would look for reviews, list all the details you deem as crucial to your purchase and buy the best monitor for the job. Also, don't trust response times without investigation. Some are measured as black-white-back and some as grey-grey.

When you buy a monitor you will immediately think it's great as it is replacing your crappy old CRT or an old LCD. You are not comparing it to one of it's competitors, e.g. NEC versus Samsung. Therefore, you are going to immediately think your monitor is great because it's an unfair comparison - old crap CRT versus shiny new LCD. That's were shootouts are useful - people actually compare similar products to help you get the monitor that best fits what you need it for (at the right price).

Tinternet is your friend.
Author:  Kaldru=GCHQ= [ Fri Dec 15, 2006 6:31 pm ]
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buying any kind of tv - get to see it play different stuff before hand
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