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 Post subject: PC running really slowly..
 Post Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:11 pm 
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Tried all the usual stuff, scan for virus, spyware etc.

Was using PC yesterday, gaming, when this error suddenly popped up. Was a hot day but got one fan blowing air in and one drawing air out and the Power supply fan blowing air out.

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Ever since the error though taking ages to boot up, even the windows XP boot screen appears slowly and is taking ages to load, Apps load very slowly, sound is all broken up. Not sure where to start, new install of XP?

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--------[ EVEREST Ultimate Edition ]------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Version EVEREST v4.50.1330
Benchmark Module 2.3.224.0
Homepage http://www.lavalys.com/
Report Type Report Wizard
Computer ATHOME-83F23E9F
Generator Adam
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional 5.1.2600 (WinXP Retail)
Date 2008-07-05
Time 19:03


--------[ Summary ]-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Computer:
Computer Type ACPI Multiprocessor PC
Operating System Microsoft Windows XP Professional
OS Service Pack Service Pack 2
Internet Explorer 7.0.5730.13 (IE 7.0)
DirectX 4.09.00.0904 (DirectX 9.0c)
Date / Time 2008-07-05 / 19:03

Motherboard:
CPU Type DualCore Intel Core 2 Duo E6400, 2133 MHz (8 x 267)
Motherboard Name Asus P5KC (3 PCI, 1 PCI-E x1, 2 PCI-E x16, 4 DDR2 DIMM, 2 DDR3 DIMM, Audio, Gigabit LAN, IEEE-1394)
Motherboard Chipset Intel Bearlake P35
System Memory 2048 MB (DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM)
DIMM1: Corsair Value Select VS1GB667D2 1 GB DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
DIMM3: Corsair Value Select VS1GB667D2 1 GB DDR2-667 DDR2 SDRAM (5-5-5-15 @ 333 MHz) (4-4-4-12 @ 266 MHz) (3-3-3-9 @ 200 MHz)
BIOS Type AMI (03/18/08)

Display:
Video Adapter GeForce 8800 GTS 512 (512 MB)
Video Adapter NVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512 (512 MB)
3D Accelerator nVIDIA GeForce 8800 GTS 512
Monitor Plug and Play Monitor [NoDB] (000000000000)
Monitor Samsung SyncMaster 2232BW/2232GW/2232GW Plus/MagicSyncMaster CX2232GW (Digital) [22" LCD] (HS3Q201591)

Multimedia:
Audio Adapter Realtek ALC883 @ Intel 82801IB ICH9 - High Definition Audio Controller

Storage:
IDE Controller Intel(R) ICH9 2 port Serial ATA Storage Controller 1 - 2921
IDE Controller Intel(R) ICH9 2 port Serial ATA Storage Controller 2 - 2926
IDE Controller JMB36X Standard Dual Channel PCIE IDE Controller
Disk Drive Generic USB CF Reader USB Device
Disk Drive Generic USB MS Reader USB Device
Disk Drive Generic USB SD Reader USB Device
Disk Drive Generic USB SM Reader USB Device (1992 MB, USB)
Disk Drive Maxtor 6L250R0 (250 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/133)
Disk Drive ST3120023A (120 GB, 7200 RPM, Ultra-ATA/100)
Optical Drive SONY DVD RW DRU-190S (DVD+R9:8x, DVD-R9:8x, DVD+RW:20x/8x, DVD-RW:20x/6x, DVD-RAM:12x, DVD-ROM:16x, CD:48x/32x/48x DVD+RW/DVD-RW/DVD-RAM)
SMART Hard Disks Status OK

Partitions:
C: (NTFS) 19147 MB (10508 MB free)
D: (NTFS) 12236 MB (3513 MB free)
E: (NTFS) 45669 MB (15709 MB free)
F: (NTFS) 37416 MB (14452 MB free)
G: (NTFS) 238253 MB (140218 MB free)
H: (NTFS) 1113 MB (975 MB free)
Total Size 345.5 GB (181.0 GB free)

Input:
Keyboard HID Keyboard Device
Keyboard Standard 101/102-Key or Microsoft Natural PS/2 Keyboard
Mouse HID-compliant mouse

Network:
Primary IP Address 192.168.0.2
Primary MAC Address 00-1E-8C-7B-AD-BC
Network Adapter Attansic L1 Gigabit Ethernet 10/100/1000Base-T Controller (192.168.0.2)

Peripherals:
Printer Adobe PDF
Printer Apple LaserWriter 8500
Printer Epson Stylus COLOR 760 ESC/P 2
Printer Microsoft Office Document Image Writer
Printer Universal Document Converter
FireWire Controller VIA VT6306/6307 Fire II IEEE1394 Host Controller (PHY: VIA VT6307)
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller
USB1 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB Universal Host Controller
USB2 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB2 Enhanced Host Controller
USB2 Controller Intel 82801IB ICH9 - USB2 Enhanced Host Controller
USB Device CanoScan N650U/N656U #5
USB Device Generic USB Hub
USB Device Live! Cam Vista IM #2
USB Device USB Composite Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device
USB Device USB Human Interface Device
USB Device USB Mass Storage Device

DMI:
DMI BIOS Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
DMI BIOS Version 1105
DMI System Manufacturer System manufacturer
DMI System Product P5KC
DMI System Version System Version
DMI System Serial Number System Serial Number
DMI System UUID 208F001E-8C00001D-2737001E-8C7BADBC
DMI Motherboard Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC.
DMI Motherboard Product P5KC
DMI Motherboard Version Rev 1.xx
DMI Motherboard Serial Number MS1C7CBA3J00108
DMI Chassis Manufacturer Chassis Manufacture
DMI Chassis Version Chassis Version
DMI Chassis Serial Number Chassis Serial Number
DMI Chassis Asset Tag Asset-1234567890
DMI Chassis Type Desktop Case
DMI Total / Free Memory Sockets 4 / 2


--------[ DMI ]---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

[ BIOS ]

BIOS Properties:
Vendor American Megatrends Inc.
Version 1105
Release Date 03/18/2008
Size 1024 KB
Boot Devices Floppy Disk, Hard Disk, CD-ROM, ATAPI ZIP, LS-120
Capabilities Flash BIOS, Shadow BIOS, Selectable Boot, EDD, BBS
Supported Standards DMI, APM, ACPI, ESCD, PnP
Expansion Capabilities ISA, PCI, USB

[ System ]

System Properties:
Manufacturer System manufacturer
Product P5KC
Version System Version
Serial Number System Serial Number
SKU# To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Family To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Universal Unique ID 208F001E-8C00001D-2737001E-8C7BADBC
Wake-Up Type Power Switch

[ Motherboard ]

Motherboard Properties:
Manufacturer ASUSTeK Computer INC.
Product P5KC
Version Rev 1.xx
Serial Number MS1C7CBA3J00108

[ Chassis ]

Chassis Properties:
Manufacturer Chassis Manufacture
Version Chassis Version
Serial Number Chassis Serial Number
Asset Tag Asset-1234567890
Chassis Type Desktop Case
Boot-Up State Safe
Power Supply State Safe
Thermal State Safe
Security Status None

[ Memory Controller ]

Memory Controller Properties:
Error Detection Method 64-bit ECC
Error Correction None
Supported Memory Interleave 1-Way
Current Memory Interleave 1-Way
Supported Memory Types DIMM
Supported Memory Voltages 3.3V
Maximum Memory Module Size 2048 MB
Memory Slots 4

[ Processors / Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz ]

Processor Properties:
Manufacturer Intel
Version Intel(R) Core(TM)2 CPU 6400 @ 2.13GHz
Serial Number To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Asset Tag To Be Filled By O.E.M.
Part Number To Be Filled By O.E.M.
External Clock 266 MHz
Maximum Clock 3800 MHz
Current Clock 2133 MHz
Type Central Processor
Voltage 1.3 V
Status Enabled
Upgrade Socket LGA775
Socket Designation LGA775



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 Post subject: Re: PC running really slowly all of a sudden...
 Post Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 7:26 pm 
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i'm gonna blame your ram...or heat....

tried running memtest yet?

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 Post subject: Re: PC running really slowly all of a sudden...
 Post Posted: Sat Jul 05, 2008 10:08 pm 
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Mike=GCHQ= wrote:
i'm gonna blame your ram...or heat....

tried running memtest yet?


Normally I got something to swap hardware over with for testing purposes, problem is this time I've got nothing to swap, eg Video is PCI-E, I've only got spare AGP, same goes for memory. :( Will try memtest, even booting off a windows boot CD seems to take ages longer than usual. Just now, IE took ages to start up but its actually is browsing at normal speed.

Other thing is I've just been playing DC for 1 hour and although it takes ages to load it runs fine once it had loaded... :scratch: :scratch:

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 Post subject: Re: PC running really slowly all of a sudden...
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 9:22 am 
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Other thing is I've just been playing DC for 1 hour and although it takes ages to load it runs fine once it had loaded...


used too have that porb on my old PC, only way I could sort it was too format PC :? :?

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 Post subject: Re: PC running really slowly all of a sudden...
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 10:07 am 
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Alex Quim=GCHQ= wrote:
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Other thing is I've just been playing DC for 1 hour and although it takes ages to load it runs fine once it had loaded...


used too have that porb on my old PC, only way I could sort it was too format PC :? :?


Thing is I want to narrow it down to hardware or software. Talking about a day reinstall windows. :(

Ran Memtest from a boot disk all night, came up passed with no errors. :scratch:

I'm starting to think it maybe the seagate, ST3120023A drive has packed up. I have two IDE physical drives in the system and the partitions on that one take a really long time to scandisk in windows...

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 Post subject: Re: PC running really slowly all of a sudden...
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 11:56 am 
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took it you checked the disk isnt running in pio instead of dma

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 Post subject: Re: PC running really slowly all of a sudden...
 Post Posted: Sun Jul 06, 2008 3:29 pm 
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MrNiceGuy=GCHQ= wrote:
took it you checked the disk isnt running in pio instead of dma


Thanks Nicey. That must have had something to do with that, first time its happened to me though. :|

Drivers in Device Manager said DMA but followed your earlier thread here: http://forum.gamecommunity.co.uk:8080/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=50092&p=534802&hilit=pio#p534802 "PC running like a snail on mogadons" was what mine was doing. Downloaded process explorer and had about 40% hardware interupts.

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Re-enable DMA using the Registry Editor
This chapter describes the manual way to do what the quick solution at the top of this page does automatically through a script program. If you're not interested in the details, you can back up to the chapter "Quick solution" above and run the script.

My thanks go to my fellow MVP Alexander Grigoriev who taught me this method.

Run REGEDIT. Go to the following key:

HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Class\{4D36E96A-E325-11CE-BFC1-08002BE10318}

It has subkeys like 0000, 0001, 0002, etc. Normally 0001 is the primary IDE channel, 0002 the secondary, but other numbers can occur under certain circumstances. You have to go through these subkeys and check the DriverDesc value until you find the proper IDE channel.

Delete MasterIdDataChecksum or SlaveIdDataChecksum, depending on whether the device in question is attached as master or slave, but it can't actually hurt to delete both. Reboot. The drive DMA capabilities will be redetected.



And its been ok since! Maybe drive is on way out. Not sure why it reverted back to PIO mode though.

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Possible causes for falling back to PIO mode
The most frequent use why a CD or DVD port falls back to PIO mode is a scratched or otherwise unreadable CD or DVD.

However, there are a few reasons why a computer may use PIO instead of DMA, particularly when it's the hard disk port that falls back, not a CD/DVD drive port. For example, David Duberman reported in 2005 that some Dell computers have DMA disabled in their BIOS by default for the second hard disk. So it is a good idea to check the BIOS settings first.

Other reasons can show up in the event log, so check this first and see if you can find repeated Atapi errors recorded. If so, you likely have a hardware defect. You can use the procedures described on this page, but your computer will probably fall back to PIO mode again and again, until you solve the underlying problem, which may be located inside the device, on the motherboard, or in the IDE data cable and its connectors.

The trap
Windows contains a trap in which quite a few computers seem to get caught sooner or later. The trap was described in a Web article whose link no longer works (and also in another one mentioned below):

The crucial paragraphs are:

PIO mode is enabled by default in the following situations:
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For repeated DMA errors. Windows XP will turn off DMA mode for a device after encountering certain errors during data transfer operations. If more that six DMA transfer timeouts occur, Windows will turn off DMA and use only PIO mode on that device.

In this case, the user cannot turn on DMA for this device. The only option for the user who wants to enable DMA mode is to uninstall and reinstall the device.

Windows XP downgrades the Ultra DMA transfer mode after receiving more than six CRC errors. Whenever possible, the operating system will step down one UDMA mode at a time (from UDMA mode 4 to UDMA mode 3, and so on).
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Of course, drive firmware being quite complex and certainly containing programming defects of its own, it is not all that difficult to produce such errors. In my case a scratched DVD and later also an unreadable (overburned) CD did the trick, got the drive to choke and Windows to disable DMA for good. Later my hard disk hiccupped just once and also went back to PIO for good.

I had been using my laptop for DVD viewing for years, until I inserted a borrowed and heavily scratched DVD. The player and apparently even the DVD drive choked on it, and when I finally got the DVD to play, I found that playing was jerky and processor load was 100%, roughly half of which was system overhead.

This indicated that the drive had reverted from the usual UDMA (Ultra Direct Memory Access) mode 2 to PIO (Programmed Input Output) mode. No amount of resetting or changing the relevant registry parameters from 1 (try DMA) to 2 (force DMA) helped. Stubbornly the drive kept using PIO mode, and Windows even changed these settings back to 0 (use PIO only).

The following text will refer to the secondary IDE port because that is more often affected, but essentially the same also holds for the primary IDE port, to which the main hard disk is connected in most computers.

Before you begin to work on the problem, log on as Administrator or as a user with administrator rights.


http://winhlp.com/node/10

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 Post subject: Re: PC running really slowly..
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well i solved that without even saying a word :)

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