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Post subject: server back up Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 12:31 am |
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:13 am Posts: 5852 Location: on the run from the boyz i love this city
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gents im to go in to a meeting tomorrow at 1500 to discuss the companys back up solutions at the moment we are backing up to a tape drive each night apx 130gig of data this is taking between 7 & 13 hours [to slow] this software is veritas there is talk of a software solution running constantly that backs up countinually but is very expensive ... are there any cheep solutions that are fool proof ... our network runs over 4 bldgs so a computer could be housed well away from the computer room that the backups could be held on
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Post subject: Re: server back up Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:01 am |
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that was a stupid comment btw |
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Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:40 pm Posts: 109344 Location: manchester
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this is one of the thing i do for the uni atm mate if you want to grab me on msn tomorrow its off the top of my head gona be slow network and slow tape drive how many hosts you backing up ? how much money they got ?
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Post subject: Re: server back up Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:28 am |
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Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:22 pm Posts: 7877 Location: /dev/null
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what he said ^^
a £750 tape drive should be able to store that much data in under 10 minutes.
Then again, you need to have decent switches between your servers, newer backup software.... if it says Veritas, then it's quite old.
You can do disk to disk backups to a remote server pretty easily - you would still want to copy this to tape regularly though.
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Post subject: Re: server back up Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 10:36 am |
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Decidedly uninterested |
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Joined: Thu Mar 18, 2004 11:10 pm Posts: 10184 Location: I watch you while you sleep
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Aye, what they said - disk to disk, then backup up that central repository to tape. If your backups are on another disk you can restore exceedingly quickly. Your servers should have plenty of bandwidth, with their own dedicated fibre backbone, running at absolutely no less than 1Gbit.
You should take this opportunity to look at disaster recovery plans; if you have one review it, if not write one a.s.a.p.! If you're doing an incremental backup Mon - Thurs and a full on the Friday, you should consider things like storing the Friday tapes offsite in case there's a major incident at work (flood, fire, structural damage, etc.).
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Post subject: Re: server back up Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:20 am |
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:13 am Posts: 5852 Location: on the run from the boyz i love this city
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wow .... ok we run 5 x servers, atm the tapes are removed daily ... ive only just been invited to help so deep end really this is a quote from our excising software support comp
I enclose some information to discuss at our meeting tomorrow.
In the exiting Poweredge 2600 server, you are currently running a Dat 36/72Gb back up drive. Dell now offers an internal 400/800Gb LTO drive which I have priced separately below. They do not offer anything smaller other than a newer version of the Dat drive you are already using. Internal LTO 400/800Gb drive £1360
400Gb tapes £29 each
An alternative to tape back up is a CDP unit. This device allows for real time second by second back up of your network without any user intervention or the need for tapes. It also has the feature of being able to send data off site electronically with the addition of some software and remote storage costs. I enclose a brochure which outlines the feature of a CDP back up solution.
Sonicwall 2440i 250/300GB £1640
Sonicwall CDP silver support £355
(next day replacement on site / software updates)
Site to site license back up license £285
Off site back up monthly fee :
10Gb £30 20Gb £40 30Gb £50 40Gb £60 50Gb £70 60Gb £80 70Gb £90 100Gb £100
Installation, to include set up of remote data storage £250 All prices exclude Vat.
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Post subject: Re: server back up Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 11:45 am |
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that was a stupid comment btw |
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Joined: Wed Mar 03, 2004 12:40 pm Posts: 109344 Location: manchester
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the real time is over kill + it isnt going to be able to do databases if you have them lol again what beefy said although i recon you would gate way with 1gb ethernet ( if not 100mb ) for you estate
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Post subject: Re: server back up Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 1:15 pm |
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an unsung hero! |
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:13 am Posts: 5852 Location: on the run from the boyz i love this city
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i chat to u lot after the meeting ..... but the general consensus is back up to an internal disk [prolly 1tb] can veritas do that? then back up that disk to a tape & remove tape friday... or back the disk up to online storage over the weekend
work out a fire flood strategy ... this could be done online or removal of tape/external drive
many thanks for your help keep it cming tho
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Post subject: Re: server back up Posted: Tue Oct 28, 2008 2:15 pm |
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Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:22 pm Posts: 7877 Location: /dev/null
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your Veritas *should* do a disk to disk backup as it is, you just define a folder on a disk as being a D2D backup device, and point your daily backups to that.
1GB ethernet is fine, any reasonable backup software will compress the data between machines.
Its probably worth upgrading the Backup Exec to the current version as it will bring some nice new features, like encypting the backup tapes (always goes down well with the boss) faster SQL/Exchange backup etc etc etc
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Post subject: Re: server back up Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 5:37 pm |
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an unsung hero! |
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:13 am Posts: 5852 Location: on the run from the boyz i love this city
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Gents in veritas it says 111gig of data ... is this the actual size of the data to be compressed or is the data compressed already? http://uploads.gamecommunity.co.uk/file ... 730004.jpgis veritas easy to use? is veritas easy to upgrade ourselfs or do we need IT company to do it for us Ive been quoted 300 for upgrade to latest version will just upgrading the version to the latest make the back up quicker or do we have to set up a D2D drive /new tape drive to make it quicker is backup exex one of the best back up software? what alternatives are there so many questions ......
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Post subject: Re: server back up Posted: Mon Nov 03, 2008 6:21 pm |
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Joined: Fri Apr 23, 2004 6:22 pm Posts: 7877 Location: /dev/null
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Thats uncompressed data Pay them to do the upgrade, I'm certain you need to totally uninstall the agents and backup software itself due to the large difference in versions between the old and new. It may only make it a tiny bit faster, the underlying slow bit will be your backup hardware. Arcserve - very similar to Backup Exec, both in features and cost. Novastor has similar features, but is cheaper (never used it though, but they keep trying to get me to sell it)
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Post subject: Re: server back up Posted: Tue Nov 04, 2008 1:35 am |
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an unsung hero! |
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Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2004 1:13 am Posts: 5852 Location: on the run from the boyz i love this city
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ok if i was to put a back up tape in the drive and do the property's it would prolly show about 70gig of compressed data for 111 gig ....?
if i up graded the exec and did a back up to nas box drive would it be alot quicker?
_________________ "If your going to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite."- Winston Churchill three and a half foot long??? dude, it could have swallowed you whole! 3jorn=GCHQ=
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